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Malcolm Newall's avatar

This project has had the feeling of being too political and too focused on speed and not travel time before it was formally announced, to not leave massive questions. There seems to be too little consideration for what drives trips, and too much on just building tracks that allow fast trains. Airport connections matter both because the trip will often be one leg of a longer trip, but also because airports are already and should be planned to be a hub of far more local transportation, so reaching any final destination that is not the core of the city, might be far easier. Pearson and Trudeau already offer a spot in the western part of their respective cities, which offer a better jumping off point for a very large group of people.

You have to ask, to what degree have the existing alignments been examined for additional tracks straightening and improved crossings? Yes, the existing approaches to Union and Central Station are slow, but why, and can't that be improved? Aren't the current issues with speed and reliability nearly entirely the presence and primacy of freight rail on the tracks, not the maximum running speed because of the geometry of the alignment?

Before we spend $100+++billion on a new route, perhaps we should be looking at what is required to fix the existing alignment, add tracks, and make a reliably sub-3-hour trip between Union and Central Stations. The city pairings of Toronto-Montreal, Toronto-Ottawa, and Montreal-Ottawa should be considered separately to make sure we are not pushing service via Ottawa for Montreal-Toronto trips, just because.

Need to make sure we build something that serves the trips people actually want to make, and that would require it to link well to other services, and focus on total travel time, not top speed. If you are going from Montreal to Toronto, but have to cross the urban portion of the greater Ottawa region at low speed, did you not lose the advantage of a top speed of 300kph? Again, total travel time is what will be key, so in many cases it may be that some of the money would have had more effect on even the long-distance trips, by improving the local services. If it is a struggle to or from Union Station and they are headed to say the west island, it may be that the lack of local services at either end, is what puts someone in their car to begin with.

Desmond BLIEK's avatar

Through service for Montreal via gare centrale seems tricky. One alternative way to do things might be to break things into multiple services that don't necessarily all reach (or begin in) the city centre.

Montreal - Toronto/Ottawa would run from gare centrale, downtown-downtown (same alignment from the West Island via Dorval into gare centrale as VIA today).

Montreal - Quebec would run from Dorval and branch off onto the EXO 12 Saint-Jerome alignment through Cote-Saint-Luc, along Jean-Talon, and up into Laval, then branching off by autoroute 440 and heading for Trois-Rivieres. Stations (and connections) at Dorval (EXO, REM*), Canora (REM), and de la Concorde in Laval (orange line).

Could also run this as a Toronto/Ottawa - Quebec service alternating with the 'regular' downtown-downtown service, or just have it start/end in Dorval, ideally with a timed transfer to/from Toronto/Ottawa -Montreal trains. Also, could follow the EXO 15 Mascouche alignment with stations (and connections) at Montpelier (REM) and de la Concorde in Laval (orange line).

While that means although Quebec-Montreal wouldn't be downtown-downtown, it would be close and have very good connections to downtown via REM (8min from Canora to gare centrale) or metro (30min from de la Concorde), as well as to everywhere else those systems reach, including dense neighbourhoods, universities, the airport, Laval and the South Shore). Arguably that's better than the Ottawa train station. And while there's additional existing track to follow through the dense city, with some challenges and constraints, it does avoid the really significant tunnel problems caused by trying to get through service via gare centrale.

*Aware that REM isn't planned to run between the airport and the Dorval train station; in this scenario it would be, for airport access and West Island connections.

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